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TheGuardian

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Post Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:39 am

Free vs. Pay: The Undying Debate

The best things in life are free. How can one statement be so right and so utterly wrong all at the same time? Even people who do charity work earn a living somehow. It seems selfish to expect that games be given to you for free. Want them? Sure. Look for them? Absolutely. Be happy free games exist? Definitely. Play free games exclusively? Of course, that's fine. But, expect ALL games to be free? (Excerpt from an MPOG.com editorial)

What do you think? Should all browser games be free?
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DaemonLasher

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Post Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:57 am

Re: Free vs. Pay: The Undying Debate

Unless the cost put into a browser based game is substantial enough to need funding, then Browser based games should be free. If you wanted to make a game for money, You wouldn't make a browser based, You would make a real game.
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Praxi

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Post Wed Nov 18, 2009 3:25 am

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hmm I wonder how much all these bannerads make :P
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Koldunk

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Post Wed Nov 18, 2009 3:41 am

Re: Free vs. Pay: The Undying Debate

DaemonLasher wrote:Unless the cost put into a browser based game is substantial enough to need funding, then Browser based games should be free. If you wanted to make a game for money, You wouldn't make a browser based, You would make a real game.


Any browser based game requires time and resources. Don't you think the people involved deserve to be compensated for that time if others show interest in their product? Whether they spent a hundred hours or a thousand, they deserve the opportunity to cash in on their dedication.

I think the real issue here is not one of absolutes, but of individual perception. The link Guardian put up goes into this at detail, but at the core I believe people misunderstand the word "free". Most browser based games are not free in the traditional sense as they use ads, donation and microtransactions to supplement the recurring costs of maintaining the game and the initial cost from development. Although you can play these games for free, casual gamers are forced to "pay" to remain competitive and in most cases, even hardcore players are tempted by the edge.

As far as a "retail box" or subscription model browser game goes I think they have a steep hill to climb. I know there's some on the market, but it's a crowded market to hope for success with that business model.

Anyway, money to developers= more development= happy gamers... Yay!
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DaemonLasher

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Post Wed Nov 18, 2009 5:57 am

Re: Free vs. Pay: The Undying Debate

Koldunk wrote:
DaemonLasher wrote:Unless the cost put into a browser based game is substantial enough to need funding, then Browser based games should be free. If you wanted to make a game for money, You wouldn't make a browser based, You would make a real game.


Any browser based game requires time and resources. Don't you think the people involved deserve to be compensated for that time if others show interest in their product? Whether they spent a hundred hours or a thousand, they deserve the opportunity to cash in on their dedication.

I think the real issue here is not one of absolutes, but of individual perception. The link Guardian put up goes into this at detail, but at the core I believe people misunderstand the word "free". Most browser based games are not free in the traditional sense as they use ads, donation and microtransactions to supplement the recurring costs of maintaining the game and the initial cost from development. Although you can play these games for free, casual gamers are forced to "pay" to remain competitive and in most cases, even hardcore players are tempted by the edge.

As far as a "retail box" or subscription model browser game goes I think they have a steep hill to climb. I know there's some on the market, but it's a crowded market to hope for success with that business model.

Anyway, money to developers= more development= happy gamers... Yay!


People make games because they enjoy it. Like I said; if your doing it for money then your not going to be anywhere near the browser based industry unless your with Jagex or something, and even then that's more Javascript/Flash.

I'm not saying it doesn't require time and resources; however the effort to cost to result ratio isn't nearly as harsh as the retail world.
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Post Wed Nov 18, 2009 7:15 am

Re: Free vs. Pay: The Undying Debate

i think the problem for free browser game providers is the balance between donation and server maintenance. sure the game can be free but you can only pay so much out of your own pocket to sustain the server, then you will need another way to pay for it. hence donation and item sale. well, even knowing this, I am a cheap bastard so you ain't getting a penny. that and i dont have a paypal account. paypal hates me.
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Post Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:49 pm

Re: Free vs. Pay: The Undying Debate

Chill out Baka, no one asked you to pay a dime. :)

We did give it a shot before in the retail world with Galactic Dream: Rage of War. The problem with downloadable content is that it's so easy to crack and make copies of it, then upload it on torrents for everyone to enjoy your product for free. Asgard Heroes is free; Xeno is also free. These games will remain free to play forever; we will never ask for monthly subscriptions. However, donations are appreciated and are a way of saying "Thank you", allowing us to develop even greater games in the future. No one forces a player to play; donations are meant for those who want to speed up things a little bit and get an edge over everyone else. Thank you for your honest opinions.
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AuroraDragonKaya

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Post Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:00 am

Re: Free vs. Pay: The Undying Debate

Unless the game has a ton of quality, I tend not to be interested in paying for it, and even then, I tend to play it a lot less since games aren't high on my priority list. (That is to say, they are below food, gas, etc. :P)
Because of that, I prefer playing games that are free. This is my personal preference.
If a game is paid only, my standards are way, way higher.

As far as a game being free or paid?
In my opinion, that's all based on personal preference.. ...of the people who make it.
There are other ways to earn money online, and the production cost is quite low compared to anything real world.
This is why there's so much more freedom with pricing.
Among them, donations, special bonuses that can be bought, and banner ads are all ways that money can be made without having a continual fee I've seen before, and from the look of things, seem effective.
The only thing I don't like is when there's special items, resources, whatever that can ONLY be gained from paying, and not through normal pay. Games like that, I pretty much find playing pointless. :P

...wow, that turned rambly...
...anyway, to sum it up--more often then not, I personally avoid most pay games.
I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with it, but there's certainly higher standards, in my mind, to live up to. And I'll stop now to not go in cicles again. :P
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Post Thu Nov 26, 2009 4:32 am

Re: Free vs. Pay: The Undying Debate

Im alright with donation, but when someone can throw 100 USD or something, and jump past days of work for someone who plays free...Then I will say its bad..Just a balance is needed.
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Post Thu Nov 26, 2009 3:22 pm

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@Prism: Welcome aboard! Bonuses can be activated only once per colony and last for 7 days, therefore the only way you can benefit from a hundred bucks donation is on the long term, by continually activating those bonuses.
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